Magdalena Wszelaki on Breast Points, Hormones and Discovering Steadiness

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Katie: Howdy and welcome to the Wellness Mama Podcast. I’m Katie from wellnessmama.com and this episode is all about breast well being, breast points, hormones and discovering stability. And I’m right here with my good friend Magdalena, who’s the founding father of Hormones Steadiness and of Wellena merchandise, that are dietary supplements made by ladies for ladies, and her on-line platform and merchandise are devoted to serving to ladies stability hormones naturally. And I’ve recognized her for years. I’ve had her on earlier than, and I’ll hyperlink to her first episode within the present notes as nicely.

However I all the time study lots from Magdalena, and this one is a subject I’ve not lined on the podcast till now, particularly targeted on breast well being. And he or she offers some very sensible ways in which we are able to help breast well being and explains how our breast well being is definitely a window into different facets of well being as nicely, particularly our hormones, and what sure points can point out how one can preserve a proactive pulse on breast well being and hormone well being on the whole, and a lot extra. We discuss every part from benign lumps and fibrocystic breasts to ache and swelling and extra extreme points. She talks lots about estrogen dominance, which was the subject of our first episode. She talks about oils and herbs that you need to use in Lymphatic therapeutic massage at residence, and different methods to help the Lymphatic system to maintain breasts wholesome, and addressing the foundation explanation for points together with estrogen dominance. We discuss weight-reduction plan and dietary supplements that may be useful, how hydration and lymphatic perform come into play, and a lot extra. She shares some sensible suggestions and her personal expertise, in addition to her medical expertise on this actually fact-packed episode. So, with none additional wait, let’s be part of Magdalena. Magdalena, welcome. Thanks for being right here.

Magdalena – Thanks. And this time round we’re doing video, in order that’s a little bit bit new, however thrilling.

Katie – It’s enjoyable to get to see your face and we’re going to speak in depth about breast well being and hormones right now. However earlier than we do, I’ve a enjoyable reality about you. The primary overseas language you spoke was Danish, and I simply need to hear about this as a result of that’s fascinating.

Magdalena – My father was a diplomat and his first task was Denmark. And we left there once I was 5 years previous. And so I grew up there aged 5 to 10. The very first college I went to was truly a Russian college as a result of we had been a part of a Communist block. In order that they pressured us to go to a Russian college. However then once I came upon that I wasn’t six years previous, I used to be solely 5, they mentioned, I’ve to return residence. And my mom didn’t need to have me at residence. In order that they went to a Danish college, a public college, and it was form of revolutionary as a result of a number of, you already know, you had been form of supporting the Huge Brother, which was Russian colleges. And so my dad and mom would contemplate form of rebellious to try this. However, yeah, I used to be like the one kiddo coming from working like an mental household, as a result of the remainder of it had been immigrants that Denmark was taking. It was very gracious to take a number of immigrants from Afghanistan and India and from Turkey, and so it was a reasonably tough begin. But it surely was additionally like, all of us studying the language and that was how I discovered that as the primary overseas language. In reality, once I get form of drained or I assume if I’m a little bit bit tipsy, individuals ask me if I’m German or South African. So I believe it’s the Danish affect.

Katie: That’s so humorous and possibly nice for you life lengthy, as a result of I’ve heard when you study one other language earlier than, I believe like age eight or someplace in there, it kind of pre primes your mind to be higher at that form of stuff your complete life.

Magdalena: You’ll know extra about that than I do, proper? With multilingual youngsters, proper? Yeah.

Katie: Properly, an space you’re undoubtedly additionally an skilled in is all issues associated to ladies’s well being and hormone well being and breast well being, which I’ve by no means talked about on this podcast and which is one thing that hasn’t been. I’ll admit tremendous prime of thoughts to me up till this level in my life. Simply because I didn’t actually give it some thought once I was youthful. However I do know it’s one thing to concentrate on and I need to be proactive about as I become old. So to begin off broad, I do know there’s most likely a number of issues that match beneath the umbrella of breast points, so possibly simply form of give us an summary of these and the way frequent this stuff are.

Magdalena: Yeah, positive. So our breasts are, initially, an enormous indication of what’s taking place in our total well being in ladies, proper. So whether or not it’s hormonal modifications, like a number of ladies, we begin realizing that our breasts are probably having a little bit of an issue when it’s correlated with our intervals, proper? And in order that’s like one kind of hormonal modifications or breast modifications that occur due to hormonal modifications. So we name it cyclical breast points, proper? After which you’ve got the non cyclical, which implies that there are some ladies who actually have well being points with their breast all through their cycle or ladies who don’t have a cycle anymore could possibly be going via a number of breast modifications as nicely.

So it’s tremendous frequent and it’s frequent to a degree the place we nearly dismiss it as saying it’s not a giant deal, proper? Which means you go and see a health care provider and also you get an examination and it’ll say nicely, you’re simply swelling. And despite the fact that your cup dimension goes from cup A to cup C in the midst of 4 days and your swollen and it’s a number of ache and also you don’t need to be intimate and all that, they’ll say, nicely, that’s regular, proper? As a result of everyone else is experiencing it.

What I’ve discovered through the years is that as we have now our cycles, there’s large modifications that occur, proper. Our estrogen progesterone fluctuate, our FSH, LH, all of these hormones are fluctuating lots. And so it’s common for us to have a change in weight and temper and meals cravings and even energetically how we present up, proper. Whether or not we’re open to issues or whether or not we need to form of simply disguise in our cave and do our personal issues, which is regular. There’s a little bit of a skinny line between what’s regular and what’s not regular. Proper. So the query is, can you are feeling any breast modifications when along with your cycle? Completely. Is it regular to go from cup A to cup C in the midst of three or 4 days? And the reply is not any. Is it regular that it’s so swollen that your breast is so swollen that you don’t want to be sexual with somebody? You possibly can’t do sports activities, you’re going to placed on a particular bra.

This, even ladies who truly one in all our formulators, which is form of enjoyable to work together with her as a result of we had been experimenting with a number of completely different oils and herbs together with her. She couldn’t placed on a bra in any respect, despite the fact that she’s cup dimension C, she’s C cup as a result of it’s simply so painful and limiting for her. So is that standard? Completely not. And it may possibly destroy the standard of life, nevertheless it’s additionally a sign there’s one thing greater that’s happening. Proper. And that’s actually what we’re right here to speak about. It’s like your breast is simply yet one more symptom or signal that there’s a greater factor at play. And I’ll simply point out yet another factor. Is that one other factor that’s form of normalized by our typical allopathic docs is whenever you discover a lump in your breast, proper. And so it’s like, yeah, whether or not it’s your selections to do a mammogram otherwise you’re doing tomography, whether or not you’re doing a sonogram, and so they go nicely, and there’s a lump and it appears to be like prefer it’s benign, and once more, it’s dismissed as being it’s not a giant deal.

And as we now know, breast lumps are even these benign ones are indication of estrogen dominance that’s happening in a lady’s physique, which may then lead on to DNA injury that then can result in breast most cancers. Proper. So a number of occasions that lump on the time when it’s discovered it’s not a giant deal, however when you proceed having lumps for a really very long time and as a transparent indication of estrogen dominance, that may result in extra critical circumstances like estrogenic most cancers. So each motive to actually begin taking a look at your breast and understanding what your breasts are telling you when it begins taking place, proper from the start.

Katie: Yeah, I believe that’s such an essential level. If that is even when it’s thought of benign by conventional medication, it’s nonetheless clue of one thing that’s taking place inside within the physique, one thing our physique is making an attempt to inform us. And I additionally suppose, to your level, that distinction between frequent and regular isn’t made sufficient in conventional medication. Simply because one thing occurs usually doesn’t imply that it’s, “regular”. And I’ve gotten that from docs within the thyroid area earlier than or once I had signs and I had simply had a child, I used to be advised, like, oh, that’s regular since you’ve had a child. And all these issues.

I believe I say this so usually on right here, however we’re every our personal major well being care supplier on the finish of the a day. Like, the duty lies with us. So anytime there’s one thing that may give us extra info on what’s happening in our physique that’s superior, even when it could be within the second, doesn’t really feel superior or it’s not a snug symptom, it’s nonetheless superior as a result of we’re getting knowledge about what’s happening in our physique. And I do know for me, the one time I’ve had drastic modifications in my breasts was once I began breastfeeding, and so they did go up a number of cup sizes in a day when my milk got here in. However that’s in regards to the extent of me having private expertise with any form of speedy modifications. And it makes me curious what causes these points. I do know I hear increasingly more from ladies who’re experiencing issues like fibrocystic breast or lumps or ache and swelling, such as you talked about. What’s inflicting that?

Magdalena: Yeah. So it’s a number of elements that play a giant function right here. I believe the 2 important ones that we are able to title actually, is irritation and estrogen dominance. So let me discuss estrogen dominance first. Estrogen dominance is a situation the place you both have an excessive amount of estrogen as in comparison with progesterone or no matter estrogen that you’ve got, the best way you’re breaking down that estrogen into clear and soiled estrogens is unfavorable. Which means you’re producing too a lot of these soiled estrogens. Or for these of you who’re clinicians in right here, it will likely be issues just like the antagonistic metabolites of estrogen, proper?

And when that occurs, estrogen in extra is mainly very inflammatory. And so when a lady is estrogen dominant, a number of occasions it’s not simply breasts, nevertheless it’s additionally simply total capability of shedding weight turns into an issue, particularly round our hips and thighs. That’s the place estrogen likes to deposit itself. After which there’s a complete host of different signs of estrogen dominance. And we did a podcast on that two or three years in the past when my ebook got here out. I bear in mind you had been actually eager on wanting to speak about estrogen dominance and I thanks for that.

So estrogen is extremely inflammatory, however the different factor that occurs with the breast is that the best variety of receptors within the physique for estrogen is an ovaries within the breast, proper? So naturally, when you’ve got an excessive amount of of that estrogen and it goes into your breast when you’ve got so many receptors and that estrogen isn’t a clear estrogen, it’s a soiled form of estrogen, or like I mentioned, it’s not sufficient progesterone to offset it, it turns into extremely inflammatory. And so what occurs is within the breast, you’ve got lobules, you’ve got ducts, and people are like these canals. There’s a really wealthy lymphatic system within the breast which can come to it in only a second and that causes swelling. So mainly all these passages swell up, proper, with the presence of extra estrogen.

And that’s what sort of leads me to the second level, is that estrogen dominance causes the lymphatic system then to swell up within the breast as nicely. So consider the lymphatic system like a freeway for us to do away with like little trash cans, driving round trash vehicles, driving across the physique, evacuating garbage or trash from our physique, proper? That’s what the lymphatic system total is for. And within the breast, we have now a number of the lymphatic passages as nicely. So the swelling of that causes a number of the water retention proper, within the breast. In order that’s when turn out to be actually heavy, actually swollen, actually massive.

So in the end, these are the 2 important issues. And the third one is simply total irritation. For girls who’re infected due to it doesn’t should be a hormones. That may be life-style selections reminiscent of hooked on caffeine, which can be low on magnesium, for instance, proper? That additionally causes inflammatory responses typically within the physique. And for some ladies, as you all the time say, everyone seems to be a little bit completely different, proper? And signs of irritation can manifest. One individual places on weights and that an individual will get horrible complications and that individual can’t sleep. For some ladies, particularly, who’re extra inclined to estrogen dominance as nicely, irritation then manifests within the breast total. So, yeah, these are the key three issues. So irritation, estrogen dominance, and stagnation of the lymphatic system.

Katie: And I do know we’re going to get to go deep on the lymphatic side in a minute. And I’ll be certain that to hyperlink to our first podcast episode within the present notes. So when you guys haven’t listened, extremely suggest that episode as nicely. And I do know we lined it in depth in that one, however are you able to simply briefly contact on if somebody is aware of they’ve estrogen dominance or now suspects that they do? What are a few of the ways in which we can assist fight that? I do know, like, as an illustration, from our previous dialog, stress comes into play, magnesium comes into play. There’s lots that comes into play, however would simply be a fast overview of that.

Magdalena: Yeah. So let’s begin off with signs. Something from anybody who’s fighting horrible PMS, horrible intervals, very heavy intervals, scanty intervals, absent intervals, irregular intervals. All of that may be because of estrogen dominance. You then’re taking a look at issues like reproductive organ well being, proper? So we talked about breast, but in addition fibroids, uterine polyps, the expansion of these. Endometriosis, is essentially fueled by the axis of estrogen after which the way you look, proper?

So, for instance, I discussed when you’ve got an excessive amount of fats saved within the thighs, within the hips and the butt. And ladies who simply can’t lose that weight regardless of how a lot they train, proper? That’s extremely estrogenic. So examine that to ladies who’ve a number of fats round their retailer, a number of fats round their stomach. That tends to be a metabolic dysfunction, proper? So, like, sometimes excessive blood sugar ranges, excessive testosterone ranges. Ladies with estrogen are typically your proverbial pear form who actually battle with their weight. And with that additionally come a number of, like, temper swings, particularly in case you have temper swings and migraines, it’s correlated along with your interval. It could possibly be extremely, very a lot because of estrogen dominance infertility, miscarriages, tremendous, tremendous frequent. And then you definately’re speaking about issues like varicose veins. Like in case you have a number of varicose veins round in your face, in your legs, proper, a little bit tiny cherry moles and that you simply would possibly discover across the physique that may be additionally because of estrogen dominance.

So hair loss is one other fascinating one. Hair loss, more often than not, if it’s a hormonally pushed, that thyroid is the very first thing to examine. But when your thyroid is completely advantageous after which utilizing, you already know, Dr. Izabella Wentz’s set of labs, not what your physician advised you, then you will notice that it could possibly be additionally because of estrogen dominance. So if the estrogen dominance is brought on by low progesterone, then different signs might be issues like insomnia, having a number of nervousness, having reminiscence lapses, a quite common one.

In order you may see, there’s nearly like, once I go down the checklist, a number of occasions in a gaggle of girls, everyone begins going like, oh yeah, that’s me. There’s nearly no ladies that we all know of who wouldn’t expertise that to some extent. Proper. And I used to be simply mentioning about since you requested, how are you aware? So going by signs could be extraordinarily telling. For some ladies, it’s just like the proof is within the pudding. I have to see some labs so as to imagine that that’s the drawback. The one kind of lab you don’t need to go along with is blood work, which a health care provider might need ordered.

And Katie, once I was in non-public apply, I can’t inform you what number of ladies will stroll in and say, my hormones are completely advantageous. Proper. Then they present me the blood work. And it was by no means accounted for, like, the place had been you in your cycle whenever you did it and such. And so essentially the most dependable type of actually understanding your hormones goes to be doing DUTCH assessments, which is a urine check. Saliva might be a reasonably far second greatest, however that’s going to indicate you much more correct numbers of the place you’re along with your estrogen progesterone and the way you’re breaking down estrogen.

Katie: That is sensible. But it surely does sound like for ladies, the place the fee can be a motive they couldn’t do a number of lab testing, the signs generally is a actually good perception. And I do know that lots of the belongings you advisable in that episode are additionally simply typically supportive of fine well being, so they’d be secure to strive even when an individual wasn’t going to go get full lab testing. Like, your whole recommendation in there was so stable that I really feel like when you even suspect you’ve got these issues, possibly begin there with the foundational issues earlier than you begin spending some huge cash on testing and get these foundational issues in place. After which if it’s worthwhile to, then discover a practitioner, do testing and work with them. But it surely looks like there’s a lot that’s inside our management if we begin listening to our personal our bodies.

Magdalena: Precisely. And most of the people, most individuals, you already know, I might say, like, don’t ignore your signs as a result of a number of occasions you’d be like, my mother had all the time lumpy breasts and have issues together with her gall bladder. I forgot about gallbladder is one other one. When you’ve got persistent issues along with your gall bladder, it could possibly be additionally due to estrogen dominance. Thyroid nodules is one other one. Proper. After which the most important one which I forgot to say is estrogenic most cancers. So breast most cancers, ovarian most cancers, uterine most cancers, lung most cancers in non-smokers. And most of them are estrogenic cancers. So most ladies who’re like, who’ve points with estrogen dominance is usually not one symptom. It sometimes is a number of signs anyway for each good motive simply to not ignore it. For positive.

Katie: That is sensible. And it traces up with I had Dr. Thomas Seyfried on the podcast speaking in regards to the most cancers, the metabolic illness hyperlink and the way there’s like, a metabolic element there in a number of cancers, which is sensible with these as nicely, that estrogen may come into play in a metabolic manner as a result of we all know from that first episode how a lot it impacts so many techniques inside the physique.

And also you additionally talked about the lymphatic facet. And I really feel like this facet isn’t talked about hardly in any respect. And I’m excited to study from you on this. The extent of my information and anecdotal expertise right here is studying that, as an illustration, like, actually tight restrictive clothes isn’t preferrred long run. And so I kind of switched away from that and into non-restrictive, non-underwire. And I seen I truly noticed modifications in my breast. They had been perkier with out the help. However that’s in regards to the extent of my private expertise. So possibly clarify to us from the lymphatic facet what’s taking place and how one can optimize there.

Magdalena: Yeah. In order we all know, the lymphatic system is all about getting the trash out of the physique, proper? And look, even simply by you sitting on a chair proper now doing this, that is already shifting your lymphatic system. Let me simply rise up and present you one thing else. We’re standing within the line for buying and stuff and also you’re like, standing and ready. As an alternative of simply going from one leg to a different, all it’s a must to do is simply rise up in your tiptoes and simply do that and simply drop. Proper? It’s an effective way of simply activating the lymphatic system. And also you don’t should have a rebounder. I imply, in case you have a rebounder, gosh, that’s wonderful. That’s already one other step in that route.

Now, for some ladies, simply doing an total lymphatic drainage like that or going and getting, for instance, a lymphatic drainage therapeutic massage generally is a great manner of opening every part up. And like, after surgical procedures, like when you’ve got a number of swelling in several components of the physique, I imply, this actually will get every part going. However for some ladies, that’s simply not sufficient. And so there’s a technique that I’ve discovered from a health care provider in Maryland, Dr. Rind, who invented this methodology and reveals how massaging your breast via a thermogram. He’ll do this earlier than and after in a thermogram, proper? It should present a number of redness and a number of oranges, orange fee, which is like extremely infected breast, so long as it’s not most cancers or it’s not one thing critical. But when it’s simply purely irritation simply by massaging your breast, how a lot of that aid occurs? And doing the scan yet another time after, and it checks every part returns to being inexperienced, which is the wholesome colour of a tissue we should always have within the breast, proper? So typically for some ladies, paying a little bit little bit of consideration to massaging your breast could be actually useful. And I’ll present you the strategy after which let’s discuss additionally about what sort of oils and herbs you are able to do too, you may infuse it your self. You will get it from on-line, you will get it from us, no matter is your selection simply to even amplify the therapeutic massage impact even additional. Would you like me to begin with the therapeutic massage?

Katie: Yeah, let’s begin there.

Magdalena: Okay. So I’m going to clarify it like as if a few of you’re watching us on-line. A few of them you may see the video, others, you’re simply listening to it. So I’ll do it in a manner that everyone will profit from that. So the concept is you can therapeutic massage your breast. You are able to do that very first thing within the morning. You are able to do it when you’re having a shower. It doesn’t actually matter. The thought is that you simply put your so I’m lifting up my left hand. I’m placing it behind my head. In case you have an issue along with your shoulder and you may’t increase it, simply increase your hand as far up as you may, proper? And when you do this, consider your clavicle space. That is going to be your exit website. That is the place we’re going to be massaging the breast in order that we wish all of the gunk to be going out that manner. All proper?

The place we’re going to begin is from the nipple. I’m pointing at 12:00 and I’m utilizing my proper hand and I’m utilizing the three fingers from my pointing finger to my ring finger. After which 12:00 from the nipple. And gently you need to therapeutic massage your breast up in the direction of the clavicle, proper? After which we’re going to maneuver on to 11:00. We do precisely the identical factor. Now when it comes to stress, think about like if beneath your pores and skin you simply had a complete bunch of honey and also you need to transfer that honey up, proper? So it’s not too arduous, nevertheless it’s not too comfortable both. So simply think about it’s the honey.

After which we’re going to, you already know after which I’m shifting over to 09:00, proper? And so forth and so forth. If you come all the way down to the underside of your of your nipple, you need to go down the breast after which convey it up over to the opposite facet. So I’m like nearer to your armpit after which once more in the direction of the clavicle, proper? And then you definately proceed doing that. It actually ought to take you about two minutes to complete massaging your breast. You do precisely the identical factor along with your proper hand up, utilizing your left palm to therapeutic massage your breast. You are able to do that when you out of the blue develop ache and also you need to do it shortly. You are able to do it over the garments, simply the best way I did it.

Some ladies like to do it within the bathe, so I personally don’t. However you may completely nicely do it in bathe since you are good and slippery. All the things is shifting. Ensure you’re utilizing some good clear cleaning soap, like castile cleaning soap, and nothing artificial, proper? That is like one space you undoubtedly need to be placing all these horrible chemical compounds on. However my favourite is to actually use particular oils to actually not simply therapeutic massage the breast, but in addition give the breast like some further vitamin and motion.

So a few choices right here is, let me begin off with the primary oil, and that’s oil that’s infused with poke root. Poke root has been utilized in natural medication for generations. And a number of smart ladies and midwives will use it for mastalgia, for mastitis, proper? So irritation or an infection on the breast. It’s an exquisite herb. It’s a type of herbs that when you go to PubMed, there isn’t a a lot analysis on it in any respect, proper? However on the identical time, we additionally didn’t have a lot analysis about meditation or yoga 20 years in the past. And now everyone is like, simply because we are able to put any person into an MRI and present what’s taking place now it’s a legit intervention, proper, or help for well being. So don’t dismiss poke root. It’s been used for generations and ladies had unimaginable outcomes with poke root.

For these of you who’re within the south, you would possibly know poke salad, proper? And so it’s truly form of poisonous until you wash it many occasions. However that is the foundation of the plant that will get excavated in fall and that’s when it’s at its prime and it’s acquired a number of vitamins in it. After which we infuse it into an oil. So when you simply go on on-line, there’s movies that present you ways to try this. You may also use dried poke root so you will get it from like Mountain Rose after which infuse it your self in an oil for like 24 hours at a low temperature, proper? That’s already a very nice acquire that manner. If you’re fortunate sufficient to have contemporary root on this fall, then go in to get out and simply do it your self. It appears like very particular whenever you do this.

So poke root has acquired unimaginable anti-inflammatory actions. And poke by some means, herbs have this intelligence of actually having unimaginable affinity in the direction of a number of occasions in the direction of particular organs. With regards to poke root, it’s particularly a reproductive organs that poke actually works arduous on. And so you may even use the identical oil. In case you’re having horrible PMS, you might go have fibroids. In reality, I’m engaged on a fibroid components now, and we’re going to be utilizing poke as nicely for lowering fibroids. And so when you’re having very heavy bleeding, proper, it’s an exquisite herb simply to use in your stomach. You possibly can infuse it into any form of oil. However there’s sunflower oil, olive oil, doesn’t actually matter so long as it’s not, a pleasant natural oil, proper? And also you therapeutic massage it precisely the best way I described. And in case you have no time, no large deal in any respect, simply seize a little bit bit, a tablespoon or so on every breast, put it on. The one factor with oil that takes time to soak up, proper. So that you would possibly have to let it sit there for a couple of minutes earlier than you wipe it off and you place in your garments on and begin the day.

One other oil that’s wonderful and plenty of of you might need it truly in your kitchen, and you can begin it tomorrow, is in case you have night primrose oil that’s acquired gamolenic acid in it, proper. It is available in a capsule. It’s all the time clearly oil primarily based, proper? And so all it’s a must to do is simply poke the capsule with a knife, open it up. You would possibly want a capsule on all sides. And that’s one other one. The gamolenic acid works wonders on the prostaglandins which can be inflammatory prostaglandins. So it calms down the ache by engaged on the inflammatory prostaglandins. After which it upregulates the protecting ache killing prostaglandins. That’s fairly wonderful oil as nicely.

Yet one more factor I need to point out is, talking of exterior software, is utilizing St. John’s Wort. So let’s not freak out. St. John’s Wort taken internally can intrude with a number of drugs. That’s true. And the form of can also be goes to say, like how highly effective natural medication could be, proper, that it may possibly intrude along with your SSRIs and a complete host of various, so I’m not speaking right here about inner software. We’re speaking about exterior software, which is not going to intrude with any medicine you’re taking. And so infusing St. John’s Wort, which is a complete weed, you’ve got handed by it many occasions, most likely on a lot of your walks and hikes. You possibly can once more, identical factor. You should purchase it from an natural retailer and infuse it your self.

And there’s one thing so magical about St. John’s Wort, particularly together with poke root. It simply nearly appears like your complete breast simply go, thank goodness, after which every part simply calms down. St. John’s Wort can also be the sunshine herb, proper? It grows in very sunny, vibrant areas, and so it form of creates the sense of lightness and aid of the breast. I can’t inform you, Katie, how spectacular it’s, particularly whenever you apply it. We had been engaged on the cream components. We had been doing one cream at a time or one oil at a time, one herb at a time, simply to see it’s efficacy, proper? It’s simply so great simply to see how efficient it may be. So the cream factor, it offers you want a fast aid, proper? And you are able to do this every day and let the ache subside. You would possibly notice that after one month of doing that, whenever you open up your lymphatic system, you’ve got these herbs which can be actually engaged on the irritation within the breast. You would possibly discover truly a number of aid and also you don’t want to make use of the cream anymore.

The factor that we have now discovered is that when you don’t handle the foundation explanation for the issue, it is going to come again. So two months later, three months later, your breast is perhaps like, the lump would possibly come again. One actually intelligent factor to do is to deal with actually cleansing up your weight-reduction plan. So getting into an anti-inflammatory weight-reduction plan, eliminating the gluten, dairy, lowering sugar, caffeine, there are research even displaying how caffeine contributes in the direction of fibrocystic breast. You talked about magnesium. Upping your magnesium to a degree that you’ve got free bowel after which again off as a result of that’s, you already know, any person who has acquired ample magnesium ranges would possibly solely have to take possibly 200 – 300 milligrams of magnesium. Any person who’s actually poor would possibly have to take as a lot as 1400 earlier than she will get a bowel motion, proper, or lose stool since you’re so depleted.

So your breasts love magnesium. Magnesium goes to assist your liver tremendously in breaking out estrogen. In order that’s going to be large assist. But additionally, let’s not neglect the three dietary supplements that I really like in our apply you can introduce to actually assist your physique break estrogens in a constructive manner is utilizing DIM, utilizing sulforaphane, proper, and utilizing calcium D-glucarate. In reality, let me share with you, like, a brilliant fast story as a result of lots of people find out about DIM. DIM has been like, given the title of the being the estrogen buster, proper?

So everyone’s like, oh, I’m going to take DIM once I’ve acquired breast issues, proper? And docs who don’t actually perceive the complete story behind how estrogens get damaged down will put sufferers on DIM. After which a number of occasions ladies really feel a profit, like for the primary two, three weeks, possibly a month. After which after that, they form of begin getting unfavourable outcomes and so they really feel just like the breasts are getting worse, the interval is getting worse, the moods are actually compromised.

And so the rationale when it occurs is as a result of estrogen will get metabolized in three phases. The primary two are within the liver. The third one is mainly pooping it out. So your digestion must be pretty nicely working, proper? So that you’re eliminating issues. However let’s begin off with the liver. So you’ve got part one liver cleansing. Part two liver cleansing. DIM upregulates the primary one. So by taking DIM, you simply open up the flood gates and then you definately’re simply passing on this flood over to part two. But when part two isn’t supported correctly with the right binders, proper, and vitamins, that’s when a number of the signs begin arising, when ladies begin feeling horrible. So so as to help part two, you might take a look at extra issues like sulforaphane, which helps with the sulfation pathway, and calcium D-glucarate, which could be very underestimated, however finish could be very highly effective.

I’m going to offer you a brilliant fast story. I’ve a girlfriend who’s an herbalist right here in Colorado. She’s additionally an enormous sportsman. She’s a skier and a climber. And so out of like two weeks out of a month, her breasts can be so engorged. She is going to go from cup A to cup D, actually. It will be so engorged. There’s simply no manner of doing any sports activities. Doesn’t need to be intimate. Horrible temper. Proper? And since she additionally has a few autoimmune ailments, so she’s acquired her weight-reduction plan dialed in. You recognize, she’s doing AIP. She’s, like, religiously avoiding gluten and dairy and all that stuff, proper? Means past that as nicely. And he or she’s gone to so many various docs making an attempt to determine what’s inflicting that enlargement of her breast, and he or she couldn’t discover solutions. And it was actually we went on a hike, and I used to be simply, like, very casually going like, what about calcium D-glucarate? And he or she’s like, calcium what? And it’s not the one for the bones, as a result of lots of people suppose it’s for the bones. It’s not. It’s the glucuronic acid that it simply occurs to be connected to the calcium molecule. And he or she’s like, no, I’ve by no means heard of them. She’s been on NAC and rose vascular and sulfuricane. Like, tons of magnesium can do nothing, proper? Gained’t transfer the needle.

And I nonetheless have that textual content message from her. She would textual content me, like, two weeks later when it occurred once more, and he or she’s like, Dude, 4 days, and, like, my breasts are again to regular. And it was simply that one compound. It was simply that one cleansing pathway for her, the glucuronidation pathway within the liver. They simply wanted some help, wanted that binder, proper? And that’s additionally the pathway the place estrogen additionally will get metabolized, will get damaged up, proper? And so it was only one complement that actually modified her life. So it’s so fascinating, proper? Like, all of us have a little bit bit completely different. So what I’m making an attempt to say is, supporting your physique and breaking down estrogen goes to provide the long run impact and possibly goes to do away with a number of different signs you’re fighting that we talked about earlier which can be estrogen dominant.

Katie: Yeah, I’ve experimented with calcium D-glucarate a little bit bit. I didn’t have something acute. I used to be simply curious to strive it for it. However I do know individuals additionally use it for mould cleansing, and it appears to actually assist that pathway for lots of causes. In order that’s a terrific anecdotal story. And possibly somebody who’s having an analogous expertise, that’s one thing they’ll strive, which may have a very large profit.

Magdalena: One other factor about calcium D-glucarate, I’m glad you form of jogs my memory additionally, do take it away out of your remedy. So, like, when you take any thyroid meds, any form of SSRIs, no matter meds, as a result of when you had a scenario the place we first launched it to our group, individuals began taking it, and also you’re like, my antidepressants are not working. You’re like, oh, yeah, 4 hours away. And that’s actually highly effective.

And in addition for individuals who have gone via I truly you know the way I came upon about calcium D-glucarate? It was from our colleagues who’re ER docs and so emergency room physicians, as a result of when individuals get that form of therapy, they’re simply bombarded with all these, whether or not it’s antibiotics and anesthesia. I imply, there are simply a lot of medicine being pumped into the physique for an individual to outlive. However afterwards they really use, practical docs, use calcium D-glucarate to detoxify individuals after being going via surgical procedures. In order that’s one other actually cool software. However all the time bear in mind, 4 hours away out of your meds.

Katie: Good to know. Essential caveat. And simply to recap, it seems like for individuals who have a rebounder, which is sort of a mini trampoline or a trampoline, that’s a terrific simply motion to work into our day. I might guess. That is additionally why one other test within the field for why strolling is nice, since you’re getting that very same kind of motion and we’re simply not strolling very a lot in right now’s world, sadly. Identical factor with vibration plates. Something that’s inflicting that lymphatic motion, which doesn’t should be working, it doesn’t should be excessive depth train, it looks like these light actions are literally higher.

And I really like the lymphatic side as nicely as a result of I really feel like this has turn out to be so stylish for individuals doing lymphatic therapeutic massage on their face and the way drastically their face appears to be like in another way once they begin actually incorporating that. So it is sensible that it could be helpful right here as nicely. I simply really feel like no one’s speaking about this apart from you. So I really like that we acquired to have that dialog. And it looks like additionally a really low danger, probably excessive reward factor that girls can simply add to their routine that might have some actually profound helpful results.

And I really like additionally that you simply introduced up the herbs that can be utilized as a result of I see individuals speaking about like, rosemary oil and head lymphatic therapeutic massage and hair progress. And I really like any time we are able to use these herbs that looks like our ancestors have recognized for such a very long time. It’s humorous once they go TikTok stylish, nevertheless it’s like our grandparents and nice grandparents have recognized this without end. And I really like that we’re lastly getting again to a few of this knowledge.

Magdalena: Yeah, completely.

Katie: Additionally, it’s like a little bit little bit of a deviation, however I’m guessing we’re going to get questions on it since you talked about the phrases each mammograms and thermography. And I might love so that you can simply share your opinion on these. And if both of these is effective in sure methods for keeping track of issues like this, or if ladies who simply need to have a baseline of breast well being to verify issues are good, what is an efficient technique to go about that testing?

Magdalena: Yeah, that’s such an essential query, proper? I’m a giant fan of initially, let me simply say this as a result of these wars between no mammogram, no thermogram, right here’s an fascinating factor. There are apples and oranges. It’s not interchangeable. They’ve a totally completely different objective. Proper? So when you’re proactive about your breast well being as a result of by the best way, your thermogram you are able to do all of it the best way out of your chin all the way down to your stomach. And it’s not simply the breast, so any irritation goes to get picked up, together with thyroid points, together with something in your stomach. So thermography out of thermography from a perspective of prevention, proper? As a result of it is going to present you modifications within the colour manner earlier than it turns into an issue and the place a mammogram goes to indicate you when the issue is already there, proper? So a really completely different software. It’s not one or the opposite. To me, a mammogram, it’s like doing a mammogram. It’s like, nicely, you have already got an issue. What have you ever achieved about it to forestall it within the first place, proper?

And that’s the place thermography is available in. If I had a high-suspect lump on my breast, proper? And given the historical past of my household, which is I’ve a number of estrogenic cancers and dying in my household on each side, proper? So I’m very primed on being in hassle. So I’ve to look at this stuff. If I had a lump that wasn’t going away and was displaying sure signs that that is one thing isn’t proper, I’ll undoubtedly go and get a mammogram achieved. However all this time until now, I’ve been doing thermography and right here’s the factor, I simply need to additionally a few issues individuals have to find out about thermography. And I apologize when you already lined that in your podcast, however not all thermography is identical. So when you go into a spot that does Botox and enhancements and this and that’s extra of a magnificence middle. And in addition, by the best way, you will get a thermography achieved, most probably, it’s not going to be a really credible place. So that you’re going to choose a thermography place the place I can’t bear in mind the decision proper now, but when people go on my web site, hormonesbalance.com, there’s a thermography. There’s a complete interview I did with a health care provider who’s a thermography DO osteopath. The decision is you can name forward of time and ask them what’s the form of decision they’re utilizing.

One useless giveaway is that you simply need to have colour, however you additionally need to have black and white distinction. And that’s one thing that low-cost locations that aren’t critical about it, use inferior high quality cameras wouldn’t provide the black and white. The black and white, by the best way, Katie, is fascinating as a result of once I labored with Dr. Rind to only to get a very higher understanding of thermography, he was displaying me footage of any person who had espresso. He referred to as it the espresso check. Had a cup of espresso after which had a tomogram achieved, thermography achieved in black and white. And he or she seemed like a panther. She seemed like a tiger, slightly like patches in every single place, proper? And that’s one of many indicators that you simply truly estrogen dominant. After which he waited for a few hours, he shot that once more, and the physique was now clear. So it’s actually fascinating how caffeine for instance generally is a large contributing issue. So high quality decision issues. Who’s the practitioner, who’s doing an interpretation is de facto essential. The individual is de facto educated. So you actually are getting a stable studying after which you already know you may actually belief it. I believe that a part of the rationale why there’s criticism of thermography of lacking issues and being kind of a pseudoscience and stuff is as a result of it’s achieved by, like I mentioned, like Botox facilities and so they simply don’t have the appropriate expertise for it and the appropriate individuals to interpret the outcomes.

Katie: Crucial to know. And I’m curious, you talked about a few of the herbs together with the lymphatic drainage and calcium d-gluconate as a complement. Are there some other good basic dietary or complement rules that girls can know which can be both simply typically protecting or acutely useful in the event that they’re having a problem?

Magdalena: Yeah, undoubtedly. One of many large issues is your hydration, proper? It’s an enormous factor that your lymphatic system wants that as a result of it’s like actually like your Venice of your physique. There may be a few herbs additionally. One is clovers, sorry, cleavers is one in all them. Actually great one. They don’t style horrible in any respect. In summer season you learn to get them. You may also purchase dried cleavers after which do a tea that’s your typical lymphatic tea. One of many ladies in our group had a double mastectomy preventatively and he or she had a lot swelling round her breast she began consuming cleaver tea and a number of the lymphatic drainage began taking place proper after that.

What we’re utilizing in my apply and in our dietary supplements that particularly for breast well being and lymphatic is purple root, which is a slight it really works within the liver, nevertheless it is also a really light lymphatic mover. So purple root is one other you may also take a look at into getting a tincture if that is a matter and it’s additionally not, neglect that particularly like in case you have a number of issues, let’s say after surgical procedure or ladies who simply have a number of points with their breasts and issues nonetheless aren’t shifting. Doing castor oil packs in your breast are only a great manner of shifting the lymphatic system there as nicely. So yeah, so simply so you already know, simply easy options. Water, handle your estrogen dominance, purple roots, cleavers and castor oil packs.

Katie: Yeah. And I’ll be certain that we hyperlink to your web site as a result of I do know you’ve got many extra sources alongside these traces as nicely. However I really feel like these are all simply actually useful instruments for ladies to know. And I additionally all the time encourage ladies to return to the foundational fundamentals too. And I do know we’ve talked about these, at the least in individual, if not on the document earlier than, however the free issues which can be foundational habits. I’m so glad you talked about hydration. I’ve truly had a number of podcasts within the final two weeks the place they talked in regards to the significance of hydration from {an electrical} standpoint of the physique and the way the physique is electrical and with out hydration and electrolytes, it doesn’t perform correctly and on the mobile degree and cleansing and lymphatic and sleep and the way intricately all these issues are linked.

And so I all the time encourage individuals all the time begin off with the foundational. Get morning daylight for the sake of your hormones and your sleep cycle, get sufficient water and electrolytes in your weight-reduction plan, attempt to optimize your sleep after which the rest you do as well as, it’s going to be a lot more practical since you’re supporting these pure issues within the physique. I additionally know we may have led with this, however I do know you even have a private story with breast points, and I might love when you would discuss a little bit of your private expertise and in addition inform everyone about Completely happy Sisters and what that’s.

Magdalena: Yeah, let me put it this manner. We all the time bear in mind, I believe a number of ladies bear in mind discovering their very own breast lump, proper. Simply the best way we bear in mind, like, when 9/11 occurred, you already know precisely the place you had been, proper? When Princess Diana, when you comply with the entire royal factor, when she died, whenever you heard about it, most individuals bear in mind precisely the time and place and what it felt like, proper, and I really feel like for ladies, it’s the identical factor. It’s like whenever you discover your breast lump for the primary time, it’s terrifying, proper, as a result of then it’s like the entire you go on the entire spin of, is it most cancers? How do I get it recognized? And then you definately get the entire diagnostic selections it’s worthwhile to make. In case you name the hospital and your common doc, they’ll make you sound like, when you don’t get a mammogram tomorrow, you’re going to die in a few weeks, proper, and the stress is on.

After which for some ladies, like, for me, too, there was like a giant factor of guilt, of like, oh, is it all of the all of the smoking that I did and all of the no matter silly issues that I used to be doing once I was youthful and disgrace and was like, what’s unsuitable with me? And I’m taking good care of myself, and right here I’m. So it’s a massively emotional affair for a lady to seek out one thing on her breast, proper? And we have now thought to one of many issues that I believe is such a disconnect is like, the one time we learn to contact our breast is to search for hassle, proper? It’s prefer to search for that lump if I’ve one. However we’ve by no means achieved something to form of, like, do one thing since you go for a therapeutic massage to really feel good, proper. You don’t go for a therapeutic massage as a result of you have already got an issue for many of us. So why not simply learn to therapeutic massage your breasts as a form of supply of delight, but in addition as a supply of prevention and love that you simply’re giving the one organ that’s simply so essential for us as ladies. So for me, there’s all the time been an enormous it’s a really fear-based, it was, I ought to say, a worry primarily based dialog round lumpy breasts, discovering a lump on the breast or something, estrogenic, you already know, as a result of each my aunts on each side of my household have handed away from my aunt simply handed away six months in the past from uterine most cancers. On my mom’s facet, it was all about breast cancers, proper?

And so it seems when I’ve my DNA genetic testing achieved, they’re like, oh, yeah, you’re actually dangerous estrogen metabolizer. And that form of explains if I used to be to go to Italy or Spain or Portugal and spend, like, a few weeks to 3 weeks, I’m not going to lie. I’m simply going to be like, okay, I’m going to have extra wine. I’m going to have some actually nice espresso, and there’s tiramisu right here and there. And out of the blue issues begin coming into my life that I sometimes don’t do. I find yourself with the worst interval, proper? After which I find yourself with lumpy breasts and lumps on my breast, proper? For me, it’s all the time been a really fear-based matter till I began doing a number of issues round it. And now I’ve this factor the place it’s like, okay, I’ve lined a number of my bases. Perhaps not every part, however a number of my bases, and I’m doing what I can to attenuate the danger. And so now it’s extra coming from a spot of empowerment and confidence slightly than be if I discover one thing, one thing out of the blue hurts.

I haven’t discovered a lump, truly, in years, however I had a taking pictures ache right here the opposite day, and I used to be identical to, there’s a second of worry, proper, and paralysis, however then I simply do what I have to do. Issues like apply magnesium, apply the oils that we have now, apply Completely happy Sisters, the cream that we formulated. And it’s identical to every part simply comes down within the again to. So I believe it’s simply actually shifting from a spot of worry to shifting to a spot of empowerment. It’s like, as a substitute of fearing, I really feel like worry could be actually nice, and anger generally is a actually good power to push us ahead, to take sure actions and steps, proper? So long as we don’t keep in a spot of anger and worry for a very long time. For me, that was the rationale why we formulated Completely happy Sisters. So I can take it, and a number of different ladies can take it. So that you don’t hear your self say, oh, yeah, my mother died of breast most cancers. My sister has misplaced her uterus. Proper. My aunt doesn’t have a gall bladder, and so they’re additionally estrogenic, and it runs within the household. It doesn’t run within the household. You’re simply predisposed to it, proper? However there’s so many issues you are able to do with the approach to life modifications after which including a few issues on prime of that’s prevention. And also you’re going to be in a very good place, together with simply feeling actually good about your self and your selections.

Katie: Yeah. And I believe that recommendation ripples out into each side of well being and towards our mindset, actually, in that, such as you mentioned, these could be nice motivators. But additionally if we are able to then transfer past that and are available from a spot of self love and respect for our our bodies and love for our our bodies, we see this even with ladies within the weight-reduction plan tradition. Like if we are able to break that that deprivation or that worry mindset with regards to any side of our our bodies, whether or not it’s what we eat or how we’re taking good care of them and shifting to that place of affection, it’s simply going to be a way more highly effective response in our physique as nicely. And it’s coming from a more healthy place. But additionally, these generally is a good motivator, and so they aren’t dangerous in and of themselves. It’s identical to you mentioned, not getting caught there both.

Magdalena: Yeah. Simply shifting on to it. And for me, shifting ahead with this was formulating, such as you talked about, Completely happy Sisters. That’s mainly a package that accommodates a complement. And it’s acquired the cream. So let me simply discuss in regards to the cream. One of many cool issues in regards to the cream is that it took us the longest time to formulate it. And you already know, Katie, since you formulate your individual merchandise, this generally is a two yr course of typically it’s acquired this good pinkish colour hue to it.

And the cool factor about it’s that one in all my greatest briefs for the formulator is to have all this, like, we have now castor oil in right here and all of the herbs that I talked about, we have now GLA for gamalinic acid. We don’t use India primrose oil, however we use one other one from borracho seed, which is even higher for GLA. And St. John’s Wort, and Nigella sativa, which is black cumin oil in right here. Proper. So just a few actually great and it smells divine. And one of many danger was that it has to soak up inside lower than 5 minutes. So the entire objective was that you simply put it on and if you wish to fall asleep, you’re not going to be like having oil throughout or when you had been off to begin your day, you may placed on the bra. In reality, once I’m touching this now, it’s nearly gone. After which you might put in your bra after which begin the day actually shortly.

And the complement, when the complement was formulated, due to this fact, it accommodates all DIM, sulforaphane, calcium D-glucarate, has acquired tons of magnesium. It’s acquired purple root to maneuver your lymphatic system. It’s acquired andrographis right here as nicely. We now have discovered that andrographis truly lets you break estrogens as nicely. It’s acquired purple clover, which is ladies’s tonic. It additionally helps with estrogen. So fast aid from a cream. And for the complement is simply, like, extra of handle the foundation explanation for the difficulty in order that it helps your physique metabolize estrogen higher. And it does include, like, a little bit spendy. So it’s like a little bit tent. You possibly can put this collectively, put it on the lavatory, on the stands so you may learn to therapeutic massage your breast. You do that three or 4 occasions and you may throw this away, proper, or present it to somebody. Yeah. After which it comes with this cool booklet in order that tells you what each herb is and why we used it. I simply need to present you one graphic as a result of I believe it’s form of, my workforce got here up with this concept. It’s acquired all types of various boobs, and it says right here, we’ve made Completely happy Sisters for all types of sisters.

Katie: I really like that. And I’ll be certain that these are linked within the present notes as nicely. For all of you guys listening on the go, every part together with the notes I’ve been taking are at wellnessmama.fm. Yow will discover it there if you’re strolling, exercising, or driving when you’re listening. And a few final questions I’d like to ask on the finish of interviews. The primary being if there’s a ebook or variety of books which have profoundly impacted your life, and if that’s the case, what they’re and why.

Magdalena: Yeah, gosh, I ought to have ready higher for this. I forgot to arrange for this one, to be completely trustworthy with you. I believe there was one which it was truly, unusually sufficient,
it’s a enterprise ebook that I learn in my early 20s, however by some means had an impression on me until right now. And it’s referred to as, “What They Don’t Train You at a Harvard Enterprise Faculty”. And one of many issues that it was written by a man who mainly created the entire sports activities advertising factor. However the level of it was that I believe one of many issues that resonated with me and stayed with me without end is what he mentioned, that luck doesn’t occur. And I really feel like with well being, it’s like most of us, until you’ve got, like, tremendous sturdy genes and stuff and nothing will contact you, the entire level was that luck doesn’t occur. You create luck for your self.

And the rationale why he mentioned that’s as a result of it’s such as you listening to this podcast, proper, or following Katie’s work or going to some form of a ladies’s gathering, such as you’re exposing your self to extra info and alternatives to actually assist your self. And this actually applies to something in life, proper? Since you go on the market and also you community with individuals and you’re pleasant in the direction of individuals and also you’re serving to different individuals and also you’re type, proper? After which out of the blue individuals come to you and so they think about, like, you lose your job and out of the blue all these alternatives present up. Proper. And it doesn’t come from wherever. It simply comes from the truth that we actually create these alternatives for ourselves and we find yourself saying it was simply luck. The reality is that we truly set all of it up. In order that was all the time one thing that stayed with me.

Katie: I really like that. And alongside that line of considering, is any parting recommendation for the listeners right now that could possibly be associated to every part we’ve talked about or simply solely unrelated life recommendation?

Magdalena: Yeah. So I might say your breast that’s talking, in case your breasts are in ache, they’re swollen, you’ve acquired a historical past of lumps. Hearken to that. It’s like your breast is saying to you, I want your assist. We want your assist, your sisters want your assist, and do one thing about it. And the probabilities should not solely your breasts are going to really feel higher, however a number of different issues in your life that’s going to begin feeling so a lot better.

Katie: Superior. Properly, Magdalena, thanks a lot on your time right now. I do know I discovered lots. I’m excited to maintain making an attempt your merchandise and to implement a few of these issues that we talked about right now. And I’m guessing a lot of ladies listening are taking notes and in addition going to do the identical. So thanks a lot for being right here.

Magdalena: I thanks a lot for simply creating a lot consciousness about this situation that isn’t that’s so frequent, nevertheless it’s not regular.

Katie: Sure, to loop proper again to the start. Frequent however not regular. And thanks for working to vary it. And thanks, as all the time, to all of you for listening and sharing your most useful sources, your time, your power and your consideration with us right now. We’re each so grateful that you simply did and I hope that you’ll be part of me once more on the following episode of The Wellness Mama Podcast.
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